In addition to being an accomplished writer, frequent Commonweal contributor Clifford Thompson is also a self-taught painter.

On this episode, Thompson speaks with associate editor Griffin Oleynick about his first solo gallery show in New York City. 

Using Thompson’s art as a jumping-off point, they touch on a range of topics, including music, film, graphic novels, race, and the madness of American politics. 

Then, in a special segment, Kaya Oakes speaks briefly with special projects editor Miles Doyle about Doris Grumbach’s memorable portrait of Dorothy Day.  

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“How do you have pride in being Black, and also have pride in being an American?”—Clifford Thompson
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