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"No, no" to Soho mass for gay Catholics

Following the decision by Archbishop Nichols of Westminster to end the so-called Soho Mass for gay Catholics so that Anglican-Catholics could use the church for their boutique rites it was believed that the ministry for gay Catholics would continue at a London Jesuit parish. Apparently that's not the case, as The Tablet reports:

No gay Mass at Farm Street, Jesuits say11 January 2013The Parish Priest at the newly designated church for gay Catholics has said that no specific provision will be made for the group when they attend Mass.Last week the Archbishop of Westminster announced an end to the Soho Masses at Our Lady of the Assumption, Warwick Street, central London. But following the announcement those who attended the bimonthly Masses expressed a hope that their liturgical celebration could be transferred to the Sunday evening Mass at the Jesuit-run church in Farm Street, Mayfair.However Fr Andrew Cameron-Mowat, the parish priest at Farm Street, told The Tablet that the community would not be able to continue some of its traditions under the new arrangement. Asked if the group could write its own bidding prayers, use rainbow-coloured items or invite priests to say Mass he said: "We will be happy to welcome newcomers to our regular parish Masses but cannot make provision for guest presiders or other features specific to any single group. This would be against the wishes of the archbishop."

Nichols had come under intense pressure from conservatives in the UK and Rome to reverse his support for the Soho mass, and activists kept up the pressure when it seemed he might have made some provision for allowing the liturgy to continue even after it was shut down in Soho. We couldn't have that, of course.H/T: Catholic World News

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The conservatives at the UK Catholic Herald are beside themselves worrying that the Soho Masses haven't been adequately destroyed ... http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/01/09/have-the-soho... what I've read, the LGBT community will be going to masses with everyone else at the Farm Street church, but also having non-mass meetings. Farm Street is said to be a welcoming place that had lent some of its priests for the Soho Masses in the past.

When I was child there was a parish which regularly had a 4:00 a.m. Sunday Mass for the amateur fishermen. St. Peter would not have approved?

When I was child there was a parish which regularly had a 4:00 a.m. Sunday Mass for the amateur fishermen. St. Peter would not have approved?

Better fishermen and gays than tax collectors I suppose.

Will the Red masses be cancelled all around the country. No...never... Why? the bishops have never heard the question" what do you think about the bus load of lawyers going into the river?""it's a start'

I've read about Masses for policemen, and there are the Masses for college kids on their campuses, nuns in their convents, and monks in their monasteries. And, obviously, there are also nuptual Masses and the funeral Masses. How particular can you get?

Particular masses is one thing-in the neo catechumenate-they had private masses going on throughout my parish church. If you walked in on one -you would be thrown out for not being a member of that" community".The claim was that an outsider would not "understand" their mass and might be "scandalized."I was scandalized that they had private masses in a catholic parish where people were getting thrown out if not a member of a "community". That violates the universality and oneness of catholicism-I claimed. I got thrown out too.

AnnIm not aware of the Church having any masses specifically for those with a particular desire She considers not ordered to the Good.

Mark --You've got it all wrong. Don't make the Vatican worse than it is. It does not teach that persons who are gay are disordered. It teaches that through no fault of their own a part of them is.

AnnRespectfully, I think youve got it wrong on both accounts. I did not say what you claimed I said (there is a subtle, yet substantial, difference) and I do not think Ive misrepresented Church teaching (though there are certainly others on this blog who are more qualified than I am in that regard, and I will defer to them).

Mark, don't you, I and everyone else have desires that are not ordered to the good? I'm grateful that I can receive the medicine of immortality at mass.

Mark, dont you, I and everyone else have desires that are not ordered to the good?Hi JimYES!! Precisely. And I too am grateful that we can all receive the medicine of immortality at mass. No one is being excluded by the Church in this instance, as far as I can tell.

Speaking of the UK Church and the LGBT community, I see that over 1000 Catholic priests have signed a letter against marriage equality .... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100197878/gay-marriage-...

To Mark: Of course people are being excluded from mass. No, there is no one at the door, ordering anyone out, but if the leadership of your church has made it quite clear that you are "disordered" - and please no claims that it's just your sexuality that is disordered- you are clearly not welcome. And Ann: I must say, respectfully, that if the church is saying a same-sex orientation is "disordered", it cannot claim that it is openng and welcoming. If one's sexuality which is far more broad and deep than the sexual act, is purported to be disordered, than they, the hierarchy, are talking about actual persons who live real lives and perhaps would like to share that life with someone they love. One cannot separate out sexual orientation from the totality of the whole person. The current crop of bishops do the whole church harm when they deal in petty discrimination of sexual minorities.

Holloway --I agree that the Church is not welcoming of all homosexuals. But these days it does seem to be trying to welcome at least some of them, which it certainly used not to do.

Hi HollowayI dont think weve met, thanks for your post. As you might imagine, I disagree but, in the interests of finding some common ground, do you agree (as I do) with the thrust of Jims earlier post? Namely, that we agree with the Churchs teaching that we are all born with desires that can lead us away from God?

Of course homosexual desire like heterosexual desire is ordered to the Good. Bishop Jefferts-Schori is luminous on this.I am happy that I know only one of the signatories of the Telegraph letter, a convert from Anglicanism. The many enlightened English Catholic clergy I know are not among the signatories."the Churchs teaching that we are all born with desires that can lead us away from God" -- sexual concupiscence was an obsession of the official church in the past; and it now classes homosexual orientation in general under that category, which is just as Manichean as if it were to class heterosexual orientation thereunder."If ones sexuality which is far more broad and deep than the sexual act, is purported to be disordered, than they, the hierarchy, are talking about actual persons who live real lives and perhaps would like to share that life with someone they love. One cannot separate out sexual orientation from the totality of the whole person. The current crop of bishops do the whole church harm when they deal in petty discrimination of sexual minorities." Yes.

Of course, he explained?

I can think of a few things, offhand, that would lead us away from God: greed, lack of empathy for others, narcissim. I don't think we acquire these insights merely because we were taught them, though I suppose the teaching and wisdom of others helps us to form our values. I think we learn them through observation, experience and through our relationships - the facts on the ground, in other words.

I recently started to attend the one and only mass on a 2 week cruise (New Year's day), conducted by a priest passenger who was English. We got there a bit late and his homily was totally devoted to abortion and the "sanctity" of marriage between one man and one woman (children optionsl?)". Greg and I looked at each other and simply got up and walked out to the visible surprise of the priest ranter and the few fossils who were in attendance.It appears that the English Catholic Church is as infected with as much utter nonsense as is its colonial cousin.

"optional" a/b ovcioualy "optionl."

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David Gibson is a national reporter for Religion News Service and author of The Coming Catholic Church (HarperOne) and The Rule of Benedict (HarperOne). He blogs at dotCommonweal.