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1. Bob Nunz 06/08/2008 - 1:57 pm

   At the CTSA , Jukie Hanlon Rubio was reported to have discussed the importance of family as being at the heart of Church life, harkening back to JPII on marriage.
   She criticized parishes that play up to “the midle class tribe” and urged the development of greater comminuity in the family itself and as part of the community, especially the poor.
   Sounds to me a lot like Antonelli.
   Will we be seeing here a new thrust from our Church here in this workaday world, where couples ar e reportedly having sex less than once a month as their cells and blackberries have invaded the bedroom and every otheraspect of their lives?

2. ed gleason 06/08/2008 - 5:28 pm

   This sounds like good news. Having worked in family life ministries I can attest to the emphasis on’ a list of prohibitions’ as the operating principle of the Vatican congregation on the family and followed too closely with many ‘finger waving’ US Bishops. One of my sons attended a wedding presided over by a ‘finger waving’ East Coast Cardinal related to the bride. He was completely ignored at the reception by both sides of the non-church going families. My son felt sorry for him and sat with him for a long time. I wondered how often this happened in ‘Cardinal families’ in Italy? Antonelli sounds like he would be able to ‘mix’

3. Joseph S. O Leary 06/08/2008 - 11:08 pm

   For anyone nostalgic for Trujillo, see http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_family_doc_20031201_family-values-safe-sex-trujillo_en.html#Latex

4. mary 06/09/2008 - 2:52 am

   Antonelli is promoveatur ut amoveatur.
   The Diocese of Florence is in a scandal storm.
   A priest, very influential, for many years abused of minors and stole church patrimony. This priest was Spiritual father of ausiliar bishop Maniago. Antonelli a kind and gently man defended Maniago, his protégé, but now it seems that Maniago knew everything ( taking part maybe) about his spiritual father’s abuses.

   http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2007/09_Settembre/18/curia_firenze_indagini_sarzanini_scandalo.shtml

5. Joseph Gannon 06/09/2008 - 3:50 pm  subscriber

   Mary

   Is your point that he was promoted to get him away from Florence?

   General question: Is there a St. Ennius (Ennio)? I only know the Latin poet whose work survives only in bits and pieces.

6. mary 06/09/2008 - 4:29 pm

   Joseph,

   Off course, the Vatican is “nec plus ultra”, isn’t it? And he managed very badly the scandal affair and his authority has damaged by this.

   I don’t know any s. Ennio. I know only Ennio Morricone….

7. Bob Nunz 06/09/2008 - 8:40 pm

   A freind who follows this blog told me, “another antiquated celeibate Italian to tell families how to react.”
   If VOTF gets hold of Mary’s info, they could have a field day… then again, there’s Bernie Law.
   On the other hand, there’s Cardinal Martini, calling for questioning celibacy, women’s ordination and the Church’s approach to sex and the family.
   But look what they’re trying to do to shut up poor Robinson.
   Until there’s real discussion and real input from folks affected, change of leadership may not mean a heckuva lot.

8. Carolyn Disco 06/11/2008 - 11:20 pm  subscriber

   Re: Joseph S. O Leary’s post with the URL to Trujillo’s handiwork: priceless, just priceless.

   Re: Bob Nunz’s post: Robinson was inspiring beyond measure when he spoke near Boston to an overflow crowd and sold out every book. Bob is on target about real discussion from folks affected, but Patty Crowley discovered the upshot of that offering. Being tone deaf lead to erosion of Vatican credibility beyond imagining, IMHO.

   I’m sending the Italian text of Mary’s post about Antonelli’s record to a translator and will forward to VOTF. I suspect there is nothing new, basically, about cover-ups. It’s a familiar refrain.

   Levada’s record for good measure is available at http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-07-13/news/feature_print.html and http://www.sanfranmag.com/story/man-who-keeps-secrets .

   The absolutely incomprehensible part to me is that no one cares apparently about shameful records in the abuse scandal. There is no accountability, and no consequences exist beyond being bumped upstairs, whether to Rome for Antonelli or Law or Levada, or elsewhere for lesser figures.

   Even today’s episcopal lies (not spin, lies!) go unremarked, with apologies if this is a repeat. What Bp John McCormack says about a NH independent state audit released a year ago: “confirms that the Diocese of Manchester has complied with the letter and spirit of … all articles of the Agreement with the State of New Hampshire, and the diocesan sexual misconduct policy.”

   http://www.catholicnh.org/child-safety/reports-and-updates/response-to-kpmg-assessment-dated-011707/

   What the AG’s audit really said: “there are still some critical gaps… before the Diocese of Manchester will be considered in full compliance with the Agreement… Finally, it has been almost four years since the Diocese and the Attorney General’s Office entered into the subject Agreement and while substantial progress has been made, the Diocese is still not in full compliance therewith and more structural and procedural enhancements are needed to
   achieve full, effective, and sustainable compliance.”

   http://doj.nh.gov/publications/nreleases/pdf/050407KPMG_Diocese_report.pdf p. 6-7

   I certainly feel like Sr. Catherine Mulkerrin’s broken record, broken record, about episcopal misconduct and negligence, may she rest in peace. A chancery should not be like any self-serving corporation, so I take habitual advantage of readers’ patience in calling to account.

   BTW, compare state versus church audits at http://votf.org/Survivor_Support/audit.html

   For whatever Antonelli brings of pastoral sense, so much the better. But as Robinson says, until the INSTITUTIONAL issues around power and sex that led to the abuse scandal are truly resolved, not many really hear anything else.

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